This 2012 USA election is still all about Women’s Rights

OK Richard, why aren't I free from your religious beliefs? You think it is perfectly all right for men and women to kill their babies. It is terrible against my beliefs. Why don't you tell the women to pay themselves. Why do you insist that I give aid to her whose intent is killing her child? Why would you force me to go against my beliefs to pay her bill? That's not freedom of choice for me.

Good question, Glome.

Yaaaa. Thanks Dorothy :)

The USA is a country that is ruled by a constitution, from a consensus of what that constitution says by the members of congress that are elected by the people in the USA for the laws that are created from that constitution by congress. That is balanced by a supreme court that will say if that law is indeed constitutional or not.

There is no religion involved in that at all. However, many of the people that elect members of congress are religious of some sort or other, even tho some are not.

We are who we are, and that is that.

Arguments are good always.

What does any of that have to do with explaining why you all are forcing me to pay for abortion that other women want. I have thing I want too, nobody else pays for them, I do.
What makes women wanting an abortion more important than myself and my needs, and, maybe even the men.. Why are you playing favorites. Let every one pay for their own sins.
In fact, there is something very suspicious about all you men wanting to force all of us to pay for women to kill their babies. It is because you want it as bad as women do. You are even willing to demand religious people lose the freedom to involve themselves.
That's something Richard. Under the guise of "giving to the poor little women" you are (a lot of yous) having your own will in decreasing the population by offering to pay to have the children killed. I know that sounds wicked, but it isn't me that is doing it. It's you.

the fetus is not a kid, as you think it is and the woman is still responsible for that till it's born, even tho you don't agree, it's the law.

And the supreme court says it's the law. So why are you against the supreme court?

By the way all citizens of the USA have choices for the laws they don’t agree with like this. Those choices are to write their congressman to have that law changed, to disobey the law and spend time in jail, to accept the law that the Supreme Court set or to leave the country. Those are everyone’s choices all the time for all the laws in the USA and are everyone’s choice all the time.

Why are you making people that don't believe in killing baby's pay for the act? Why can't women pay for their own?

First the law is the law.

Bitching about the law is done all the time for various things by folks that don't like the law which must be followed.

Changing the law is done is the majority of the people that live here in the USA. If the majority of the people like that law then it will stay and that's that.

I'm sorry Glome (wel-l-l-l-l... yeah, not so much), but your don't get any more choice about where your taxes go than do I. I have to pay for our military to kill men, women and children by the tens of thousands, an event about which I was in near despair before it even began (Hell, before the dumb sunuvabitch who did it was even elected) -- YOU have to pay for women to have abortions. Get over it. We can bitch and kvetch, march and yammer all we want, but in the end, strictures on where tax money can and can't be spent are going to become too onerous and then they'll be dropped. Deal with it.

It makes me angry because we all KNEW President Obama was going to force us to but he promised that Catholic Senator that No tax payer money would be used on abortion. That Senator believed him and sign Obama care. We all knew he was lying. And he was.
He is so dishonest and the liberals all close their eyes to it and won't admit it. I don't understand that. I would think they would be angry at him. I wouldn't let a conservative President get away with that and jump on his band wagon.
Sorry about the wars. That is tough. I''m so sick of all the killing. I hate it that we seem to be locked into this thing & don't know how to end it.

PS What, besides paying for their abortions, don't we do for weak little women that takes what rights away.

If all of Congress were pregnant (especially those old men) we wouldn't have any problem with abortion. They would see it as being in the national interest for abortions to be cheap and easy. You see, being pregnant would be bad for their health and endanger their lives.

Then I'm glad those old men can't get pregnant. I don't want my money paying for their abortions. Why did we stick our nose in there anyway?
Obama is such a liar and trickster. In order to get Obama Care passed he promised that young Catholic Democrat there would be no coverage and he'd do an Executive order. He knew exactly what he was doing. He didn't care about those two Catholics. He would say anything to force people to go his way. Doesn't that bother you Larry?

Glome,

Obama is a politician. Remember what that means.

You ask if that bothers me. If you had read my book you would know it bothers me very much indeed.

I stopped part way through. But if it helps, I feel guilty every time your little Pom Pom appears. I constant intention is to start reading again :)

Glome,

I don't want your guilt, I want you to understand. :-)

Got it. Good. Wanting to understand isn't as much pressure as guilt :) but, ...

How does the world of Jesus argue that there is a problem with the human rights ratio of men to women when Satan knows that there is one women imprisoned for every fifteen men in the dirty United States. Is there something inherently wrong with men?

Are you asking what the Bible says about that Werner? It actually doesn't discuss the comparison. We'd just have to rely upon what we know about men and women.
I hear Testosterone is pretty potent :) I believe our guys get a little more eager than our women for . . . ?????? everything except laundry. Break that window on an impulse; grab that money money. They don't have the dreams of a baby and in the back of their mind like we do. So let's hear it :)
You tell me. I have the more delicate hormone, so I don't know about that tricky testosterone

If you are saying one hormone is better than the other, then you are discriminating. Not that discriminating is a bad thing - all living things it.

We don't allow women to kill their 1 year old babies they no longer want either, so does that mean we are governed by religion? How is it any different if the baby has simply not come out of mom yet?

Amanda, I agree with you. It is not 'religion' that put's a man in jail when he murders someone. It is the rule of man's law. There was a law against killing unborns also ... but the law changed.
But like you said, the law of the land isn't religious. Thanks.

a fetus is not a kid and the woman is still responsible for that.

Yep Richard, in speaking of the baby in the womb God calls it a 'child'.

A newborn doesn't look like an old woman or old man but it is still just as human as they. All God's creatures start small and get bigger silly. You know that :)

What 'God' calls it is not relevant as we people in the USA call it a fetus until it is born and out of the womb.

We are not a nation that has religious laws.

We are a nation that has a constitution and a congress that can revise that constitution and a supreme court that determines that those congressional revisions to those laws are constitutional.

That’s the necessary process and that’s also why this election of 2012 is so important to many people, as many people that live here in the USA feel that that process is the choice of the woman and not the state.

Hi Richard. Thanks for staying so nice through our debate. That's why you are so fun to respond too. I kinda lost you for a long time. I was writing to some other Richard then all of a sudden I saw your icon. I realized I'd been talking to the wrong person. :) (Not buttering you up...just speaking truth.)

Richard, "people that live here in the USA feel that that process is the choice of the woman and not the state."

The constitution still protects my religious right of not helping with the killing of these children. Who knows whether or not the people running Obama's kingdom will honor the Constitution, I don't think it is too, too important to them. :)



ANYWAY. I understand exactly what you are saying and I realize that the existence of God is not taken into consideration in enforcing mans law. But that doesn't change truth. I'm not pushing responsibility for my speech over onto anything but Truth.
Then, there is also, the fact that freedom of religious practices is protected by the constitution.
So you are for abortion of babies, so contribute if you choose. Leave my rights untouched. Killing babies isn't approved by God & that should affect the governments actions per Constitution.

It’s good to see that you have a prejudicial view of things. I’m sure Jesus would agree with you on that subject.

What's prejudicial Richard?
Abortion was against the law. Most everyone thought it was wrong and 1/2 still do. Finally they gave the woman a right to kill it. Then turn around and make all those against it pay for it?

If you're religion is against going to war they came up with other ways to have you share with your so patriots. They don't make them kill other men because their religion is against it.
That is the protection Christians, or any other people that don't believe in killing the babies, should get from the same constitution.

Prejudicial? Against who? Because I won't help her kill the child? Nonsense. God would agree with me. He expects us to love and raise up the children He gives us.

Your view of other women shows prejudices as you feel that what you think is more important than she. You think that your view of an abortion is more important than the woman that has chosen to do the abortion. All life is created by god; all life is equal and scared, therefore as I see it the life of a carrot in god’s view is just as important as your life is, however, we kill carrots all the time by eating them. I’m quite sure you see things different than I do though. Have you ever killed a strawberry by cutting it to eat?

Okay, you're comparing a CARROT to a CHILD????!!! That is just crazy. Good put FOOD on this Earth (including plants and animals) for us to EAT. Killing a carrot (or even a cow) is not wrong. Killing a child is and everyone one agree someone killing a 1 day old baby is wrong, yet when it is -1 day it's perfectly fine, even though babies are born even earlier than that and live. Sorry, but if you are against abortion you're not against the choice of another woman, but FOR the baby that she plans to kill.

God created everything that is alive in the Universe. We all make our choices of what to eat, usually an animal or a plant. There's around 10 million people starving every year that we don't care about at all or at least that my view.

Yep! That my comparison. God creates all life and all life is at that time equal as it was greated basically by god, thus the same.

Therefore who are you to say what God is thinking about all life in this universe

Oops Richard :)

Richard. "God creates all life and all life is at that time equal as it was greated basically by god, thus the same."

God. "Gen 9:2-3 (spoken to Adam and Eve)
2 "The fear of you and the terror of you will be on every beast of the earth and on every bird of the sky; with everything that creeps on the ground, and all the fish of the sea, into your hand they are given."

3 "Every moving thing that is alive shall be food for you; I give all to you, as I gave the green plant."

I didn't mean Adam and Eve. It was spoken to Noah and his sons.

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thanks Libramoon

There is no ignorance anymore about the humanity of the unborn. Women know it is a person. And yet in our supposed civilized "enlightened" USA we kill little unborn boys and girls every day. No wonder the 50 shades of grey contract with women is so popular. Our enlightened women carry a terrible guilt now that demands punishment. "I killed my baby! Let me sign here! Beat me! Beat me!"

The matter of having tax paying Godly people help pay for abortions makes perfect sense in such a sicko society. Innocence by association and assimilation.

Thanks for such an encouraging comment William.

There are so many that want children and will adopt a child. An abortion hurts the one that has an abortion. I heard of a woman that had an abortion, afterwards she became suicidal. These abortion clinics do not tell the woman what to expect afterwards. No I have never had an abortion. But seeing these live babies being born and murdered by the doctors. I believe these doctors should be prosecuted for murder.